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	<title>Comments on: Installing Ubuntu Hardy Heron on a MacBook</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: isilanes</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.06/installing-ubuntu-hardy-heron-on-a-macbook/#comment-1444</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, looks like I'm defending being an arrogant SOB! I really think that you can never err on the side of humility, and you can seldom be right by being arrogant. But that's off-topic.

I don't agree with you on your opinion that what computer OS you use is unimportant. Maybe from a (really naive) technical point of view it its, but there are cultural, economic and social components that &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b &gt; important.

The struggle of the free software movement for a society that relies upon open and free solutions for software and culture is really an important one. We live more and more in a society that is controlled by computers. All information is shared through computerized paths, such as the Internet. Every piece of knowledge, culture and entertainment, such as books, movies and music, is being stored in computer media. An important part of our relationship with others is made through e-mails and the like, and even our relationship with the government or our bank is being increasingly moved to electronic means.

Our access to all of the above is crucially determined by the software we have available. If we let companies like Microsoft or Apple dominate the software market, they will dictate what format all of our information should be encoded in, and what means we should use to access it. More fundamentally, they could end up deciding (maybe following the government's orders) what we can read/hear/know, and when. They could force us to pay for unnecessary "upgrades", to be able to access the very same information we could read the week before. They could choose to show us the "truth" they wanted.

Not to mention that proprietary software can (and has been proven to, in the past) contain not only unwanted bugs, but even malicious [[Backdoor (computing)&#124;backdoors]] such as those Windows had (has?) so that third parties (such as the [[National Security Agency&#124;NSA]]) can access your computer and all your sensible (and private) data in it.

And if we wanted to analyze the software tools they are providing us, we could even go to jail for just trying to. We would have to &lt;b&gt;let them&lt;/b&gt; abuse us!

You really deem that unimportant? I don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, looks like I&#8217;m defending being an arrogant SOB! I really think that you can never err on the side of humility, and you can seldom be right by being arrogant. But that&#8217;s off-topic.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with you on your opinion that what computer OS you use is unimportant. Maybe from a (really naive) technical point of view it its, but there are cultural, economic and social components that <b>are</b> important.</p>
<p>The struggle of the free software movement for a society that relies upon open and free solutions for software and culture is really an important one. We live more and more in a society that is controlled by computers. All information is shared through computerized paths, such as the Internet. Every piece of knowledge, culture and entertainment, such as books, movies and music, is being stored in computer media. An important part of our relationship with others is made through e-mails and the like, and even our relationship with the government or our bank is being increasingly moved to electronic means.</p>
<p>Our access to all of the above is crucially determined by the software we have available. If we let companies like Microsoft or Apple dominate the software market, they will dictate what format all of our information should be encoded in, and what means we should use to access it. More fundamentally, they could end up deciding (maybe following the government&#8217;s orders) what we can read/hear/know, and when. They could force us to pay for unnecessary &#8220;upgrades&#8221;, to be able to access the very same information we could read the week before. They could choose to show us the &#8220;truth&#8221; they wanted.</p>
<p>Not to mention that proprietary software can (and has been proven to, in the past) contain not only unwanted bugs, but even malicious <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdoor (computing)">backdoors</a> such as those Windows had (has?) so that third parties (such as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National Security Agency">NSA</a>) can access your computer and all your sensible (and private) data in it.</p>
<p>And if we wanted to analyze the software tools they are providing us, we could even go to jail for just trying to. We would have to <b>let them</b> abuse us!</p>
<p>You really deem that unimportant? I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Super Jamie</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.06/installing-ubuntu-hardy-heron-on-a-macbook/#comment-1431</link>
		<dc:creator>Super Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the choice, especially with something as realistically unimportant as a computer operating system, I'd choose to err on the side of humility, than that of arrogance. Though, arrogance can be good in some situations, but we're getting off-topic.

I've never used OSX, simply because I've never had the hardware or the chance to do so. Also, because I just can't be bothered learning a whole new way of learning to use the computer, when I have no need to.

From what I've seen of friends who have it, it's just a different way of getting stuff done, not as amazingly rock-solid as all the fanboys would have you believe, and those who use it seem to be quite satisfied with it. If the chance arrives, I'd learn it, if not then I'm more than pleased with Linux at the moment.

Of course, I'd absolutely love to buy a Macbook, completely wipe Boot Camp, and dual boot Ubuntu and XP on it. Just to make some fanboys rage ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the choice, especially with something as realistically unimportant as a computer operating system, I&#8217;d choose to err on the side of humility, than that of arrogance. Though, arrogance can be good in some situations, but we&#8217;re getting off-topic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never used OSX, simply because I&#8217;ve never had the hardware or the chance to do so. Also, because I just can&#8217;t be bothered learning a whole new way of learning to use the computer, when I have no need to.</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve seen of friends who have it, it&#8217;s just a different way of getting stuff done, not as amazingly rock-solid as all the fanboys would have you believe, and those who use it seem to be quite satisfied with it. If the chance arrives, I&#8217;d learn it, if not then I&#8217;m more than pleased with Linux at the moment.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;d absolutely love to buy a Macbook, completely wipe Boot Camp, and dual boot Ubuntu and XP on it. Just to make some fanboys rage ;)</p>
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		<title>By: isilanes</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.06/installing-ubuntu-hardy-heron-on-a-macbook/#comment-1416</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me disagree. Acting like you're superior because of the OS you use might be arrogance and ignorance, for example. But definitely not heresy. OTOH, using something else than your OS of choice &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; be defined as heresy (from your POV). But recall that "heresy" does not imply that the orthodoxy is "better".

Also, arrogance is not desirable in general, but this doesn't mean that the arrogant can not be right. Assuming that would be a strawman argument. I said that I couldn't care less for Mac OSX, and that's true. If other people is happy with it, it's fine with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me disagree. Acting like you&#8217;re superior because of the OS you use might be arrogance and ignorance, for example. But definitely not heresy. OTOH, using something else than your OS of choice <i>could</i> be defined as heresy (from your POV). But recall that &#8220;heresy&#8221; does not imply that the orthodoxy is &#8220;better&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also, arrogance is not desirable in general, but this doesn&#8217;t mean that the arrogant can not be right. Assuming that would be a strawman argument. I said that I couldn&#8217;t care less for Mac OSX, and that&#8217;s true. If other people is happy with it, it&#8217;s fine with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Super Jamie</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.06/installing-ubuntu-hardy-heron-on-a-macbook/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>Super Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buying a Macbook is not heresy. Whilst a tad overpriced, they're quite well-designed hardware-wise, and you can get some pretty neat accessories like a SATA HDD bay that replaces the optical drive - giving you a small light laptop with two hard drives!

Acting like you are superior to other human beings because of the operating system you use, or brand-snobbery, is heresy. And is not something just limited to users of one OS ;)

Enjoy your Macbook! If I didn't have my Dell Vostro 1200, I'd probably get an old iBook G4 myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buying a Macbook is not heresy. Whilst a tad overpriced, they&#8217;re quite well-designed hardware-wise, and you can get some pretty neat accessories like a SATA HDD bay that replaces the optical drive - giving you a small light laptop with two hard drives!</p>
<p>Acting like you are superior to other human beings because of the operating system you use, or brand-snobbery, is heresy. And is not something just limited to users of one OS ;)</p>
<p>Enjoy your Macbook! If I didn&#8217;t have my Dell Vostro 1200, I&#8217;d probably get an old iBook G4 myself.</p>
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