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		<title>By: isilanes</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.07/first-dreamhost-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-33811</link>
		<dc:creator>isilanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Tipper! Perhaps you mean [[drop.io]]. I will take a look at it, and at others mentioned in the drop.io Wikipedia page (always full of info!). However I must confess I ended up fixing the issue in some other way. I actually use a pendrive to sync computers, with a custom-made script. The con is that you have to carry the pendrive always with you, but the pro is that the &quot;bandwith&quot; is huge, and the process very fast, regardless of the internet connection (or lack of it) the subject computers may have. Also, you don&#039;t have to rely on third parties, which is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tipper! Perhaps you mean <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/drop.io">drop.io</a>. I will take a look at it, and at others mentioned in the drop.io Wikipedia page (always full of info!). However I must confess I ended up fixing the issue in some other way. I actually use a pendrive to sync computers, with a custom-made script. The con is that you have to carry the pendrive always with you, but the pro is that the &#8220;bandwith&#8221; is huge, and the process very fast, regardless of the internet connection (or lack of it) the subject computers may have. Also, you don&#8217;t have to rely on third parties, which is great.</p>
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		<title>By: Tipper</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.07/first-dreamhost-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-33779</link>
		<dc:creator>Tipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isilanes: try dropio.com, this is a good service for what you are looking for, IMHO, and it&#039;s free, so maybe you can save some bucks with DH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isilanes: try dropio.com, this is a good service for what you are looking for, IMHO, and it&#8217;s free, so maybe you can save some bucks with DH.</p>
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		<title>By: DreamHost makes me happy again: free backups &#124; handyfloss</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.07/first-dreamhost-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-5243</link>
		<dc:creator>DreamHost makes me happy again: free backups &#124; handyfloss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Perhaps you are aware of my first (and last so far) gripe with DreamHost: as I wrote a couple of months ago, they wouldn&#8217;t let me use my account space for non-web content. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Perhaps you are aware of my first (and last so far) gripe with DreamHost: as I wrote a couple of months ago, they wouldn&#8217;t let me use my account space for non-web content. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tinpot</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.07/first-dreamhost-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-3154</link>
		<dc:creator>tinpot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Dreamhost has the right to do what it is doing. As customers, we have the right not to be happy with it. Whatever motive is driving Dreamhost&#039;s policy, to us it is confusing and misleading. Therefore, I appreciate this discussion of the downside from the customer perspective. 

Some of you are saying: &quot;If you don&#039;t like it, go somewhere else. Shut up. Stop complaining.&quot; I think the most useful aspect of threads such as this is that they discuss exactly what it is that is bad (and good) about Dreamhost, and what the alternatives are depending on which of Dreamhost&#039;s shortcomings it is that is affecting us.

Super Jamie, you lay out two possibilities and remind us there are no free lunches. Still, there may be more than two types of lunches in existence? And this thread is about where we can find a good deal on lunch. Surely that might exist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Dreamhost has the right to do what it is doing. As customers, we have the right not to be happy with it. Whatever motive is driving Dreamhost&#8217;s policy, to us it is confusing and misleading. Therefore, I appreciate this discussion of the downside from the customer perspective. </p>
<p>Some of you are saying: &#8220;If you don&#8217;t like it, go somewhere else. Shut up. Stop complaining.&#8221; I think the most useful aspect of threads such as this is that they discuss exactly what it is that is bad (and good) about Dreamhost, and what the alternatives are depending on which of Dreamhost&#8217;s shortcomings it is that is affecting us.</p>
<p>Super Jamie, you lay out two possibilities and remind us there are no free lunches. Still, there may be more than two types of lunches in existence? And this thread is about where we can find a good deal on lunch. Surely that might exist?</p>
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		<title>By: isilanes</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.07/first-dreamhost-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1927</link>
		<dc:creator>isilanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Super Jamie. I must concur with the whole of your comment :^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Super Jamie. I must concur with the whole of your comment :^)</p>
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		<title>By: Super Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Super Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, my friend, this is the internet. There is no legal regulation of sales or terms or products. Quite possibly you are bound by the fair trading laws of the US state where Dreamhost reside, however a Terms of Service or License Agreement or EULA enter into it, and legally disputing this would likely have you end as the loser, and cost more than purchasing and collocating your own server hardware, so let&#039;s just assume that Dreamhost are in the right, as far as a court would be concerned.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that their rules are ridiculous, disappointing, unrealistic and that their sales structure is possibly advantageous and even immoral - however - YOU are the one who agreed to them when you purchased your web hosting. If you didn&#039;t like them, you should never have purchased the hosting to start with.

Personal preferences aside, I have previously sat on the other end of this agreement, clients wishing to use one of my company&#039;s products for that which it CAN be used, but SHOULDN&#039;T be used, or is not ALLOWED to be used, based on our terms of service. Often for illegal purposes. And I&#039;m the one who has to say &quot;No&quot;, and the customer legally must agree, or have their service cancelled, as they agreed to it when they entered into the service contract.

I do not enter into &quot;truck&quot; or &quot;book&quot; or any other analogies in regards to technology, as they are almost always inaccurate in regards to the nature of product they represent. The fact is: you did not purchase a personal online backup service, you purchased website hosting, for specific use of serving webpages to the general public, and nothing more.

If you wish to use a remote internet-connected file storage service for personal file storage, either get a free shell account with data storage (and likely a terrible transfer speed), or pay for a collocated server (at an inflated cost to your web-only hosting), like everyone else does. There&#039;s no such thing as a free lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, my friend, this is the internet. There is no legal regulation of sales or terms or products. Quite possibly you are bound by the fair trading laws of the US state where Dreamhost reside, however a Terms of Service or License Agreement or EULA enter into it, and legally disputing this would likely have you end as the loser, and cost more than purchasing and collocating your own server hardware, so let&#8217;s just assume that Dreamhost are in the right, as far as a court would be concerned.</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly with you that their rules are ridiculous, disappointing, unrealistic and that their sales structure is possibly advantageous and even immoral &#8211; however &#8211; YOU are the one who agreed to them when you purchased your web hosting. If you didn&#8217;t like them, you should never have purchased the hosting to start with.</p>
<p>Personal preferences aside, I have previously sat on the other end of this agreement, clients wishing to use one of my company&#8217;s products for that which it CAN be used, but SHOULDN&#8217;T be used, or is not ALLOWED to be used, based on our terms of service. Often for illegal purposes. And I&#8217;m the one who has to say &#8220;No&#8221;, and the customer legally must agree, or have their service cancelled, as they agreed to it when they entered into the service contract.</p>
<p>I do not enter into &#8220;truck&#8221; or &#8220;book&#8221; or any other analogies in regards to technology, as they are almost always inaccurate in regards to the nature of product they represent. The fact is: you did not purchase a personal online backup service, you purchased website hosting, for specific use of serving webpages to the general public, and nothing more.</p>
<p>If you wish to use a remote internet-connected file storage service for personal file storage, either get a free shell account with data storage (and likely a terrible transfer speed), or pay for a collocated server (at an inflated cost to your web-only hosting), like everyone else does. There&#8217;s no such thing as a free lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: isilanes</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.07/first-dreamhost-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1924</link>
		<dc:creator>isilanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super Jamie, you are wrong. That&#039;s not &quot;all there is to it&quot;. There exist abusive terms that are not legal, and it doesn&#039;t matter whether you accept them or not, they can not apply. If you agree to give them your first born child in exchange for some service, you don&#039;t have to comply. It is irrelevant if you agreed or not, because the terms were flawed.

Also, as a company, you can not just refuse to give a service and say that the customer has the right to go elsewhere. If you offer 1$ books, then charge 2$ for them, the customer can ask to be charged 1$ and be given the book. You can not just tell him to accept or go away. And having a ToS that says &quot;All our 1$ books will be charged 2$&quot; does not make it any more legal.

I don&#039;t know about the legality of the ToS of DH. I assume it is perfectly correct (but it would not be the first one ever to be declared abusive). However, it doesn&#039;t make it any more moral, you must agree. They allot you some resources under the agreement that you will use them in a way that will almost surely not let you take full advantage of them, then prevent you from using them in another (perfectly legal) way that would be well within the scope of the resources. If you don&#039;t find it outrageous, then I don&#039;t know what is so for you.

I will abide by their rules, but this is the kind of thing that makes me unhappy. Another thing that makes me unhappy is how we, the customers, bow to the companies and accept any shit from them, convincing ourselves that it is &quot;correct&quot; because a ToS says so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super Jamie, you are wrong. That&#8217;s not &#8220;all there is to it&#8221;. There exist abusive terms that are not legal, and it doesn&#8217;t matter whether you accept them or not, they can not apply. If you agree to give them your first born child in exchange for some service, you don&#8217;t have to comply. It is irrelevant if you agreed or not, because the terms were flawed.</p>
<p>Also, as a company, you can not just refuse to give a service and say that the customer has the right to go elsewhere. If you offer 1$ books, then charge 2$ for them, the customer can ask to be charged 1$ and be given the book. You can not just tell him to accept or go away. And having a ToS that says &#8220;All our 1$ books will be charged 2$&#8221; does not make it any more legal.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about the legality of the ToS of DH. I assume it is perfectly correct (but it would not be the first one ever to be declared abusive). However, it doesn&#8217;t make it any more moral, you must agree. They allot you some resources under the agreement that you will use them in a way that will almost surely not let you take full advantage of them, then prevent you from using them in another (perfectly legal) way that would be well within the scope of the resources. If you don&#8217;t find it outrageous, then I don&#8217;t know what is so for you.</p>
<p>I will abide by their rules, but this is the kind of thing that makes me unhappy. Another thing that makes me unhappy is how we, the customers, bow to the companies and accept any shit from them, convincing ourselves that it is &#8220;correct&#8221; because a ToS says so.</p>
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		<title>By: Super Jamie</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.07/first-dreamhost-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1922</link>
		<dc:creator>Super Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You accepted the ToS, abide to them or cancel your account.  If you don&#039;t like the Terms of Service, you&#039;re well within your rights to take your business elsewhere. That&#039;s all there is to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You accepted the ToS, abide to them or cancel your account.  If you don&#8217;t like the Terms of Service, you&#8217;re well within your rights to take your business elsewhere. That&#8217;s all there is to it.</p>
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		<title>By: isilanes</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.07/first-dreamhost-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1863</link>
		<dc:creator>isilanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you can see from the above comment, I seem to have fixed the OpenID issue. I was able to make a test comment with my OpenID at http://isilanes.org.

I think the problem was that I had two conflicting plugins for OpenID: Alternate OpenID for WordPress 0.4 by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scene-naturally.dyndns.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jerry Yeager&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/openid&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WP-OpenID 2.1.9&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href=&quot;http://verselogic.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alan Castonguay&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://willnorris.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Will Norris&lt;/a&gt;.

I deactivated the former, and kept the latter (WP-OpenID). Now it seems to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you can see from the above comment, I seem to have fixed the OpenID issue. I was able to make a test comment with my OpenID at <a href="http://isilanes.org" rel="nofollow">http://isilanes.org</a>.</p>
<p>I think the problem was that I had two conflicting plugins for OpenID: Alternate OpenID for WordPress 0.4 by <a href="http://www.scene-naturally.dyndns.org/" rel="nofollow">Jerry Yeager</a> and <a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/openid" rel="nofollow">WP-OpenID 2.1.9</a> by <a href="http://verselogic.net/" rel="nofollow">Alan Castonguay</a> and <a href="http://willnorris.com/" rel="nofollow">Will Norris</a>.</p>
<p>I deactivated the former, and kept the latter (WP-OpenID). Now it seems to work.</p>
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		<title>By: isilanes</title>
		<link>http://handyfloss.net/2008.07/first-dreamhost-disappointment/comment-page-1/#comment-1855</link>
		<dc:creator>isilanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your input Super Coco. If you say: &quot;The ToS says that, so however stupid, you have to fulfill it&quot;, then I agree.

However you have to agree that the distinction is irrelevant. If I have 5GB of pictures and I put them online to share them, then it&#039;s correct. If I place them in just another folder of the same computer (in my account) and don&#039;t share them, then it&#039;s a backup, and I have to pay a separate bill for that. That&#039;s ridiculous, not matter how you put it. I am using up some resources, be it a backup or a web content.

I also agree that the DH service is good, and that the prices are great. I am a happy customer in general. Actually, I signed up to be billed for the &quot;non-web&quot; content, as they tell me to in the e-mail. I am just angry at the reasons behind, being it cheap or expensive.

Imagine that I have an online storage service that lets people upload videos... but only if David Bisbal appears on them. If David Bustamante appears, then they ban you. If the ToS says that, then it is fair? Maybe legally, but not morally. You should pay for some space for your videos, and they shouldn&#039;t mess in what the videos contain (assuming a legal content).

BTW, I will take a look at the OpenID issue... when I have time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input Super Coco. If you say: &#8220;The ToS says that, so however stupid, you have to fulfill it&#8221;, then I agree.</p>
<p>However you have to agree that the distinction is irrelevant. If I have 5GB of pictures and I put them online to share them, then it&#8217;s correct. If I place them in just another folder of the same computer (in my account) and don&#8217;t share them, then it&#8217;s a backup, and I have to pay a separate bill for that. That&#8217;s ridiculous, not matter how you put it. I am using up some resources, be it a backup or a web content.</p>
<p>I also agree that the DH service is good, and that the prices are great. I am a happy customer in general. Actually, I signed up to be billed for the &#8220;non-web&#8221; content, as they tell me to in the e-mail. I am just angry at the reasons behind, being it cheap or expensive.</p>
<p>Imagine that I have an online storage service that lets people upload videos&#8230; but only if David Bisbal appears on them. If David Bustamante appears, then they ban you. If the ToS says that, then it is fair? Maybe legally, but not morally. You should pay for some space for your videos, and they shouldn&#8217;t mess in what the videos contain (assuming a legal content).</p>
<p>BTW, I will take a look at the OpenID issue&#8230; when I have time.</p>
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