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		<title>Linux e-mail clients rant</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>isilanes</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am really disappointed at the MUA offer I am finding for by Debian box. I have tried KMail, Thunderbird, Evolution and Claws Mail, and all of them fail at some point. All four errors are different, and all of them almost total showstoppers. Note: I access my e-mail through Gmail IMAP. I don&#8217;t really [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really disappointed at the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/e-mail client">MUA</a> offer I am finding for by Debian box. I have tried <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMail">KMail</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla Thunderbird">Thunderbird</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution (software)">Evolution</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claws Mail">Claws Mail</a>, and all of them fail at some point. All four errors are different, and all of them almost total showstoppers.</p>
<p><i>Note:</i> I access my e-mail through Gmail <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP">IMAP</a>. I don&#8217;t really care if these MUAs are good at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POP3">POP3</a> or whatever. I want good IMAP.</p>
<p><b>KMail 1.9.9</b></p>
<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUI">GUI</a> is nice, has all features I want, everything OK&#8230; It&#8217;s just that browsing the remote folders is hopelessly slow. I can brush my teeth in the time it takes to delete a message, and I don&#8217;t want to go into what I can do in the time it takes to move a message from one folder to another one.</p>
<p>Apparently this could be fixed in KMail2, which will come with KDE4. The problem is that I want it fixed now.</p>
<p><b>Thunderbird 2.0.0.14</b></p>
<p>This one is also very good in general. Actually, its problem is not due to itself. Its probably due to some bad interaction with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.org">X.org</a> or something: everything works fine, but starting up and subsequent rendering/deleting of the window itself is really slow. If I minimize and maximize it back, it takes ages to reappear. I have this problem with TB and Firefox (actually Icedove and Iceweasel in Debian), and with no other program.</p>
<p><b>Evolution 2.22</b></p>
<p>Again, almost everything is fine. Almost. The single problem is that if the &#8220;To&#8221; and/or &#8220;From&#8221; fields in the message list contain non-ASCII characters, they appear garbled. Nowhere else does this happen. Even other fields, such as &#8220;Subject&#8221; <i>can</i> contain accents or ñ with no problem, as can the text body.</p>
<p>This would be a cosmetic issue I could live with, but there are two problems I can not tolerate: I do not want these errors to appear in the messages I send when replying to garbled messages, and more importantly, I have sometimes had recipient lists containing non-ASCII characters mangled. I don&#8217;t want to click &#8220;Reply all&#8221; and end up sending the message to only 3 of the 10 recipients.</p>
<p>This problem will supposedly be fixed in version 2.23.</p>
<p><b>Claws-mail 3.4.0</b></p>
<p>Again and again, almost everthing is right. Now messages can contain non-ASCII chars anywhere, browsing folders is fast, manipulating/drawing/erasing the program window is fast&#8230; BUT, replying to a message, regardless of the settings one chooses, does not include the original message quoted. This seems a minor error. It isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The thing that bugs me most is that I can not understand how these problems happen with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/free software">free software</a> packages. If you take KMail, Evolution and Claws, each one has a <b>single</b> error that <b>the other two</b> have already fixed&#8230; Couldn&#8217;t they just copy each other? That is precisely the whole point of free software.</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t KMail browse/scan/manipulate the IMAP folders with the efficient method Evolution and/or Claws use?</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t Evolution display the message fields with the error-free method KMail and Claws use?</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t Claws quote the original message as anyone else in the Universe does?</p>
<p>If only the three errors where not spread among the three MUAs, there would be one that I could use!</p>

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		<title>Application of the week: Evolution</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 10:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>isilanes</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Around 1 month ago I said I had made the switch from KMail to Thunderbird for managing e-mail. Well, now I must confess I am making another switch, this time to Evolution, the native e-mail client for GNOME. The main (sole) reason is that Icedove (Thunderbird) was unreasonably slow lately. Maybe it&#8217;s a matter of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around 1 month ago <a href="/2008.04/switch-from-kmail-to-thunderbird/">I said I had made the switch from KMail to Thunderbird</a> for managing e-mail. Well, now I must confess I am making another switch, this time to <a href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/">Evolution</a>, the native <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/e-mail client">e-mail client</a> for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME">GNOME</a>.</p>
<p>The main (sole) reason is that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icedove">Icedove</a> (Thunderbird) was unreasonably slow lately. Maybe it&#8217;s a matter of versions (I&#8217;m running the latest in Debian Lenny), but it was driving me crazy. And so is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel">Iceweasel</a> (Firefox), but that&#8217;s another story. Evolution seems to be as fast as KMail to start up/minimize/maximize/quit, and as fast as Icedove to manage the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP">IMAP</a> folders (something KMail was seriously lacking).</p>

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		<title>Switch from KMail to Thunderbird</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>isilanes</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I said 2 months ago, I made the switch to IMAP for handling my Gmail e-mail. I have to say that it&#8217;s a switch that I don&#8217;t regret at all: it gives me the convenience and comfort I want. However I have to admit that my long-used and much loved KMail was not up [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As <a href="/2008.02/imap-access-to-gmail-with-kmail/">I said 2 months ago</a>, I made the switch to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP">IMAP</a> for handling my <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail">Gmail</a> e-mail. I have to say that it&#8217;s a switch that I don&#8217;t regret at all: it gives me the convenience and comfort I want.</p>
<p>However I have to admit that my long-used and much loved <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KMail">KMail</a> was not up to the task, for some unknown reason. My main gripe with it was that reading, moving and deleting messages took forever, and refreshing folders was a royal pain. I thought it was an unavoidable problem, related to the way IMAP works. However, I decided to give other <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/e-mail client">e-mail clients</a> a chance, and that I did.</p>
<p>I have installed and run <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla Thunderbird">Thunderbird</a> (actually, Icedove, the Debian version of TB), and so far it&#8217;s given me good impressions. All the slowness I suffered with KMail is gone, and I have to say this fact alone is driving me from KM to TB.</p>
<p>As an additional piece of info, here&#8217;s how to set &#8220;plain text&#8221; as default for sending messages. Why would you want that? Read <a href="/e-mailweb-tips/">these tips</a>. The reason why TB has no obvious button to set &#8220;all plain text&#8221; or &#8220;all HTML&#8221; escapes me, but that seems to be the case. However, there is an &#8220;advanced&#8221; mode of doing it: go to <i>Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Config Editor</i>. From the variable/value list there, you have to set (by double-clicking, for example) &#8220;mail.identity.default.compose_html&#8221; to &#8220;false&#8221;. I also set &#8220;mail.html_compose&#8221; to &#8220;false&#8221;, but the important variable seems to be the first of the two. From that point on, all the new messages you compose will be plain text.</p>

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